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  • in reply to: Nationals Venue 2018? #23246

    Its a great idea to start a discussion now!  Everyone will have different reasons for going to a Nationals, it will be close to impossible to meet everyones needs and wishes.

    My reasons would be:

    • Open sea, with the possibility of a decent swell
    • Lots of fun
    • A reasonable sized fleet racing as one (not separate starts for gold / silver / bronze)
    • A holiday venue, different to the type of location I would usually sail at
    • Camping available at, or close to the venue
    • A good ‘holiday’ location
    • Previous experience of running nationals for other classes

    It is often said that having an existing class at the club, Nationals will boost numbers.  I don’t think this is true

    Weymouth is good, but as was said before, it is a pretty soulless place.

    What about places like Mounts Bay / Tenby / Abersoch (combine it with their dinghy week)?  Those three venues have fantastic sailing waters, open sea and lots of experience of of running big events.  Looe and Brixham also have run many events in the past.  Royal Torbay and Pwllheli would be great too.

    I would steer well clear of an inlands venue as I feel that I miss out on a lot (although you don’t need much for a good event – Cullaun S.C. is a good example), and I feel that open sea sailing gives a better overall test of what the Wayfarer is all about – seaworthy, cruiser / sailor / general purpose boat.

    You could also ‘go for broke’ and sail in the oldest YC in the world, Royal Cork YC on the S Irish Coast.  They run a biennial dinghy week, the next being in 2019 (Same as the worlds in Ireland), but have a stand alone event in 2018.

    Actually, you could have the worlds the week after Dinghy week in RCYC, with a British / Irish Nationals over a long weekend….. then the Worlds……….   The worlds in RCYC would be great!  Not sure if a venue has been chosen yet, but its hard to beat RCYC for putting on good events.

    If I was to plump for one, I wouldn’t but it would be a close call between Mounts Bay (amazing location and sailing, but a biggggg journey for me but worth it) and west Wales (a much easier journey)

    I would go for four or five days, with shorter races, maybe three a day.  No point in travelling a long way to join in a procession!



    W7110, Apple

    in reply to: Roll tacking demonstrated by Michael McNamara #22662

    Hi Nick,

    This might be what you are looking for – Its Michael roll tacking and gybing an Albacore.

    Remember that when roll tacking and gybing, you must not come out of the tack or gybe with more speed that you went in with.  The rule states: A boat’s crew may move their bodies to exaggerate the rolling that facilitates steering the boat through a tack or a gybe, provided that, just after the tack or gybe is completed, the boat’s speed is not greater than it would have been in the absence of the tack or gybe

    I hope that helps!


    Apple, 7110, East Down YC.

    in reply to: Carbon poles #21672


    Can the UKWA allow carbon poles in the UK?  Various rules are below, all from the class rules on the WIC site.

    My reading is that poles must be metal or wood (28.1).  Fittings, running rigging, tiller and tiller extension can be any material (2.5).  The UKWA could ‘grant dispensation in exceptional cases where this is considered to be in the interests of the class‘  (5.14). There is a process for proposing changes to class rules (7.3 – 7.5)

    Personally, I wouldn’t consider changing 28.1 (spinnaker pole construction) as an exceptional circumstance, but would perhaps go through the class and submit a proposal for a rule change to the WIC.  There is plenty of time to do this before autumn next year.

    I don’t feel strongly about this and I am not opposed to carbon poles in any way.  I wouldn’t be for buying one as any marginal gain through either weight / stiffness / comfort (and I doubt one exists) is easily outweighed by my love of beer and unhealthy food, my inability to point the boat in the right direction, the age of my boat and the state of the spars and sails!  However, if I was planning to be competitive, I would probably consider spending a lot more money than the price of a carbon pole, and spend a lot of time on the water and travelling to events.  For me, that is not what the Wayfarer is about, but I completely accept that others feel differently.


    2.5 Deviations from the official drawings and specifications are prohibited save for the following:

    (a) Running rigging arrangements;

                   (b) Tiller and tiller extensions;

    (c) Fittings;

    (d) Reinforcement pads for fittings;


    5.13 Cases of doubt regarding compliance with the class rules shall be referred to the committee of the NCA who shall give a ruling.

    5.14 An NCA is empowered to grant dispensation in exceptional cases where this is considered to be in the interests of the class. Any such dispensation shall be recorded on the certificate of the boat concerned.

    <b><span lang=”EN-GB”>7. MANAGEMENT</span></b> <span lang=”EN-GB”>
    </span><b><span lang=”EN-GB”>7.3</span></b><span lang=”EN-GB”>  Any proposal for a change in the Class Rules or the WIC Constitution shall be submitted by its sponsor(s) to all members of the WIC for the purpose of soliciting input and/or suggested amendments to the proposal.  Having allowed six weeks for the consultative process to be completed, the sponsoring party must submit a final version of the proposal to the WIC Secretary by 15th October, if it is to be eligible for the following year’s voting and implementation.  (See Appendix 1) </span><span lang=”EN-GB”>
    </span><b><span lang=”EN-GB”>7.4</span></b><span lang=”EN-GB”> The WIC Secretary shall send any proposal thus received to the WIC representatives of each NCA by 1st November, (or 15 days after receiving any such proposals).</span><span lang=”EN-GB”>
    </span><b><span lang=”EN-GB”>7.5</span></b><span lang=”EN-GB”> It shall be the sole responsibility of each NCA to ensure that its representative consults with its membership and acts in accordance with the wishes of its members.
    <b>7.7</b> Amendments to the Class Rules or to this Constitution, approved by WIC votes, shall be communicated to all WIC members in writing by the International Secretary as soon as possible, and no later than 4 weeks after the voting deadline.</span><span lang=”EN-GB”>
    </span><b><span lang=”EN-GB”>7.8</span></b><span lang=”EN-GB”> Amendments to the Class Rules or to this Constitution shall become operative on the 1st April of the year in which they were approved.</span>


    28.1 Materials shall be metal or wood.


    Apple, 7110

    East Down YC

    in reply to: Carbon poles #21669

    Interesting debate……. again!

    Using a carbon pole is not chequebook sailing! If you buy a carbon pole, you are unlikely to suddenly start winning races.  Sails, foils and particularly good coaching will all have a much bigger impact on performance.

    I don’t believe that using a carbon pole will give any noticeable direct performance difference due to weight.  It will however, make handling the pole very slightly easier for smaller, less strong crews.  However, once the pole is raised, weight is less of an issue as the pole is supported in the middle.

    My crew is 5-1 (I think!) and can barely even reach the top ring.  Gybing from a reach to a reach is a major effort in any sort of wind and I am considering going to a twin pole set up.  I doubt a carbon pole would make any difference to gybing in a strong wind.  Perhaps having a bigger diameter pole may help (as Colin says)  as it would be easier to hold, but my crews paws are tiny anyway!

    I would be strongly supportive of a change to the rules to allow for carbon poles, but personally wouldn’t be first in the queue to buy one (especially with a twin pole set up!)

    I don’t think using a carbon pole or fancy electronics is ever going to make the class any more attractive to younger folk.  Currently there are big fleets of RS200s and 400s, providing very competitive racing, in light, responsive boats.  Over here (Ireland) there are fleets of Lasers, GP14s, 400s, 200s, Fireballs – all with a younger age profile than Wayfarers. These folk are unlikely to be attracted to Wayfarers, no matter how ‘sexy’ the gear is!  At the end of the day, you still have to pull the Wayfarer up the slip, and that’s no fun (but we still do it!)


    7110, East Down YC



    Looking forward to it Paul!

    Trevor Fisher

    Apple, 7110

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