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  • #27995

    Kate Abernethy
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    Hi,

    I would like to rebuild my 1973 wooden W3555. It was originally built from kit by the sea cadets at Calshot sailing club. Please may I have confirmation that

    1. If all parts are replaced (same construction and materials), the new Wayfarer is still W3555 as the original boat has a certificate?

    2. If I just repaired W3555 and cloned it, the numberless clone would never become officially recognised as a Wayfarer?

    Thank you.

    Best wishes,

    Kate

    #27997

    john1162
    Participant

    When is a Wayfarer not a Wayfarer?

    If all the parts are replaced then it is a new boat. It is all a matter of degree.  The official line is below.

    “In pursuance of rules 5.10 and 5.12, it is the responsibility of the owner of a boat which is the subject of major repair or renovation to show that the original shape of the hull has been maintained and that the materials used are as close to the original as reasonably practical and of acceptable specification.”

    It might significantly help the owner’s case, for example, if the boat was measured before the renovation commenced, as far as that might be possible. If the boat had previously been measured at some point in its history then appropriate measurements could be checked. Measurement could then be checked and completed when the renovation is complete. Involvement of a class measurer would provide an independent check, but it is important that the measurer should be able to inspect the boat before work commences. Photographic evidence of how the work was carried out might also support the owner’s case.

    Major repair or renovation would, for example, be re-decking or new centreboard case or replacing a hull panel. In other words the majority of the boat would be original.

    Any clone would not be recognised as a Wayfarer since it would not have been built with the copyright holders permission. Hartley Boats are the copyright holder and in the very unlikely event of a new wooden boat being built it would have to be by permission of Hartley Boats and be built by their designated boat builder. Individuals have in the past tried to get permission to build a wooden boat but have always been refused.

    If you would like to contact me to talk through any aspect of the above contact me in the first instance at [email protected]

    #28000

    Kate Abernethy
    Participant

    John,

    Thank you very much for your reply. It has clarified the approach that I will take – repair W3555 and build new wooden boats other than Wayfarers.

    Thank you for providing an opportunity for me to discuss with you. I will send an email about the repairs necessary. I’m hoping that the repaired boat will be of more 1973 wood than 2018 wood.

    Best wishes,

    Kate

    #29062

    jmcc500
    Participant

    Sounds like an interesting project – any progress?

    #29064

    Kate Abernethy
    Participant

    Not yet 🙂 I’m currently on week 7 of the Boat Building Academy 40 week ‘Boat building maintenance, and support’ course. Repairs start in week 14. Will post process/progress here. Please ask any questions you might have, if I don’t know, it will be good to pick the instructors’ brains.

    #29065

    jmcc500
    Participant

    Excellent. I spent a week at the IBTC in Lowestoft – made me decide that I WILL do a full course one day!

    Shame Hartley’s won’t let people build in wood. From talking to Ian Porter it would be prohibitively expensive to do it as a paid job, but if home built and not pricing hours could make a nice project. I guess it depends if you want to race as a Wayfarer – is there anything stopping someone building a non-approved copy for their own use?

    #29071

    Mark Foreman
    Participant

    Hi Kate,

    I’m currently renovating W545 Lantana. This involves stripping down, redecking, repainting and a new setup, but not a great deal of structural work. I’m planning to keep the wooden mast too.

    I do have the original measurement certificate, but intend to get her remeasured when complete to maintain her Wayfarer status (rather than for racing needs).

    One thing I’m finding is that the quality of the 1960s plywood is outstanding. Planning to change as little of it as possible.

    Email me at the address below if you’d like to chat over the experience as you go.

    [email protected] 

    • This reply was modified 4 months, 1 week ago by  Mark Foreman.
    #29074

    Mark Foreman
    Participant
    #29082

    Kate Abernethy
    Participant

    Hi Mark,

    Thanks for your messages above. I am hoping to change as little as possible too – quite a sea change from my original idea (rebuild)! Will be back once the survey has been done here.

    Best wishes,
    Kate

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