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- 23/04/2009 at 9:23 pm #3907
Please can anybody tell me roughly how heavy a Wayfarer on a combi trailer is, complete with mast? I am looking for a new car and need to check its non-braked towing limit.
Many thanks24/04/2009 at 10:33 am #8043AnonymousInactive
A hull with fittings weighs around 165Kg I believe. Add on another 20kg(?) for the mast. A combi trailer weighs around 175kg (Bramber). So around 350kg. Don’t forget to allow for any other equipment you might carry too.
I’ve towed mine with a very old Suzuki SJ410. That was a 998cc engine but managed fine. I then upgraded to a short wheel base 1.6 Vitara. Better. My 1.8 picasso struggles a bit on hills with it. The four wheel drive does allow access to some slpways that would be awkward otherwise. Interestingly the Picasso has a recommened max towing weight of 1300kg, the vitara 450kg. I’d rather tow with the vitara anytime.
Martyn24/04/2009 at 5:17 pm #8046AnonymousInactive
That 1300kg will be BRAKED towing wieght…. I am going to weigh my wayfarer next time I bring it home. I have a friendly builders merchant with a weigh bridge.
I weighed my Vauxhall Signum today and it weighed 1500kg.24/04/2009 at 7:40 pm #8047AnonymousInactive
Agreed. It is braked weight. However, it is uphill I have problems, not slowing downhill. My point is that recommended towing wieghts by car manufacturers don’t tell all the story.
I’ve also heard that some manfacturers give advice assuming the car will only have a driver, no passengers or gear.
Isn’t noseweight also a problem for some?
Martyn24/04/2009 at 8:04 pm #8048BluTakParticipant
I agree with around 350Kg. I now tow mine with a 1300 petrol non cambelt escort Preg 150.000 miles. I took it to the Shannon last year around 600 miles full of cruising gear. I did have to change down on hills but it got me there and back fine though I wouldn’t wabt to try anything smaller. Hope this helps24/04/2009 at 8:21 pm #8049AnonymousInactive
Most car need around 50kg nose weight…..except some 4×4 that are better with more. I would always try and keep the nose weight 10kg or so under the max. Use the bathroom scales and a piece of wood the same hieght as your towbar to get the weight right.24/04/2009 at 8:34 pm #8051
Many thanks to all for these contributions. I discover that car manufacturers quote 2 towing weights – braked and unbraked, though sometimes you have to dig for the latter. For example, the Ford Focus brochure only seems to give a maximum towable mass (700 to 1500 kgs, depending on the model) whereas the Toyota Auris gives braked (1000-1500, depending on model) and unbraked (450 kgs) figures. The Skoda Octavia, which I have chosen, has an unbraked towing capacity of 650 kgs.26/04/2009 at 1:22 pm #8054bfennemaMember
You may also want to check your car and boat insurance.
I had to ask the car insurance to add a note on file that I am covered, even though I was automatically covered for towing a small regular trailer.
This is because the insurance companies may make a distinction between a small boat & trailer and a small trailer of similar weight; it becomes a “speciality” item and was excluded under standard policy.
B.16/05/2009 at 9:32 am #8103nickgilesParticipant
For what it is worth our Wayfarer world 9922 with combi trailer (Admiral) and mast, anchor, picnic hamper etc weighed in at 460kg. I suspect the hull weighs a tad more than the minimum!
regards, Nick19/05/2009 at 12:37 pm #8137AnonymousInactive
Just weighed in at 490kg on a Sovereign combi trailer. In the boat was a over boom cover, sails, spare wheel, rudder, tiller, small anchor and chain, mast and boom. The boat has a under cover and flat cover on.
The boat is a version 1A……19/05/2009 at 4:56 pm #8139
Many thanks for this. I’m glad I went for the Skoda.19/05/2009 at 8:48 pm #8143Colin ParkstoneParticipant
Now that is not something you would hear said very often 10years ago???
” A Skoda “
C P 😉
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