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  • #3485
    Anonymous
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    My self-bailers are so stiff that despite trying to work them loose and applying oil my crew could never budge them……..at worst they would leave them half-open and so we would take on water, hence I keep them firmly closed. Would it be worth trying to replace them? ( I was very impressed the way water drained out of my daughter’s Topper.) Any advice welcome. Dave
    PS the amount of force required to open them starts to flex the GRP hull which can’t be good.

    #5246
    Anonymous
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    Dave,
    That certainly sounds too stiff. Do you sail fresh or salt water? Fresh water is much less of a lubricant. What type of bailer are they – the usual seems to be the stainless steel Anderson bailers that have a rubber seal between two paltes. I am surprised oil mdidn’t work though as I would have suggested WD40 or Holt Prolube.

    #5249
    Anonymous
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    Hi Matt. We sail in salt and fresh. It probably does not help we don’t try to open them very often due to the paranoia of either forgetting they are open or that they will not get completely closed…….its not a task the cramped family crew would relish. Having said that, this is because the bailers are so damn stiff in the first place. I am sure they are Anderson bailers (they look like them from internet piks). And they don’t appear damaged.
    I do have other priorities with family sailing (ie launch/recovery as quick as possible) so the bailers might stay shut for weeks at a time and I don’t often sail fast enough or take enough water on to make self bailing worthwhile. It just seems frustrating that I have a tool I could use on the right occasions but infact can’t.
    Does anyone else just keep theirs shut 99.9% for the same reasons or has anyone changed them and found a big improvement?

    #5251
    Dave Barker
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    Hi Dave,

    The bailers on Cockle are pretty stiff, and the angle for your hand is less than ideal because of the relative locations of the bailer and the floorboard hole. However I wouldn’t say that they are anything more than a minor nuisance, and we use them pretty much every time we sail.

    Having said that I had the opportunity to use some new bailers of a different type last week on a different boat and they were a revelation; smooth, positive and drawing lots of water at moderate boat speed, even upwind. (I’ll have to find out what sort they were).

    It’s just such a hassle to contemplate changing them, but if mine were as bad as yours sound I would be seriously considering doing so.

    #5252
    Anonymous
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    Thanks Dave, just the sort of response I needed to hear. I agree access is a significant issue. Equally the lack of crew will power weight and technique for getting them open and how often it is justified for our sailing conditions. It is not a job I am going to rush into (would like to hear more opinions here)………but seeing the effectiveness of the Topper self-bailer was an eye-opener. Was it another Wayfarer you were in or something else?
    cheers Dave

    #5253
    Dave Barker
    Keymaster

    Enterprise. Not ours, although we do have one, on which the bailers are reasonably smooth to open but extremely slow to empty water from the boat.

    #5257
    Anonymous
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    It has to be said that bailers are stiff. I use mine whenever there is water in the boat and they are very effective except beating in the most extreme conditions (but I reckon you won’t be out with your children then).

    #5261
    Dave8181
    Member

    I found that the bailers in my boat opened and closed much more easily after applying vaseline 🙄 . I also disassembled them by bending straight the metal edge that limits their movement (using a mole wrench), replacing the rubber seals (available as a bailer maintenance kit) to stop them leaking, reassembling & bending the metal edge back.

    Dave8181

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