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  • #3591
    Colin Parkstone
    Participant

    Ok Lets here from you all why you do or do not turnout for the Open Meetings. Can you not be bothered,have good racing at your club so no need to travel or why.
    If we can be bothered to give some feedback to the sailing Sec and his successor it may help to improve the racing.
    Me,I just love the competition and trying new places to race and as i am not Top Dog i would like too be!!!
    Cp 😀

    #5976
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    I’m all ears!!
    (and have been for three years….)

    Thanks for the impetus, Colin me ole mate!

    #5980
    Colin Parkstone
    Participant

    Thats Ok 8848, lets see what happens. I think it is a bit late now as all the racers are in bed with their coco by now!!! Sweet Dreams.
    CP
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    #5989
    mckechnie
    Member

    Well done Colin for leading on this one. We turn out to all the Open Meetings, if we can, because it is the best Wayfarer racing, it improves our standard of sailing and racing, we really like travelling to different venues and experiencing different waters and meeting all the others on the circuit. Sometimes there are the obvious constraints of crew availability and clashes with the work diary that stop us from going to all of them. We love the Open Meeting circuit. The more options for Open Meetings in the diary the better, as far as we are concerned.

    #5991

    Options is the important word here.

    Some people find its not worth packing the boat up for a one days sail elesewhere – so they need Open Meetings across 2 days with a party on the Saturday evening.
    Others find that getting the time away from home for helm and crew is too much for a weekend away – so they like one-day meetings.
    Some people like the experience of sailing on the sea, when they normally sail inland.
    Others find the thought of the sea, where the wind might blow more than they are used to, and those big waves for surfing down, as being too much of a step – and so they want inland open meetings.
    Some like long races (2 hours or more). Others like the cut and thrust of the start, so 5 or 6 short, half-hour races are better. Others like the short races as they can’t get so far out of touch (in front of or behind!) the rest of the fleet.

    #5993
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    Never has so much been asked by so few of so many.

    When I do go i always learn something,and enjoy myself
    time is major issue with me,and ususally decides the outcome.
    But weather plays a big part.Bad forecast,not worth traveling.

    All good,but ones that stand out are poole week , Starcross Heelerup and Blackwater.

    Maybe I just like estuaries
    But I also thought Torbay regatta was good,even though it was handicap and I was only wayfarer

    Roger 1759

    #6072
    Colin Parkstone
    Participant

    Well this site has had 321 viewings in 14 days and 4 replies. We will get what we get then unless??!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! CP 🙁

    #6077
    mattL
    Member

    We turned out for all the open events last year (even castle cove with the other 11 wayfarers) they have all been tremendous fun. it is always a shame when the turn outs were so low.

    Is there anyway people can be encouraged to go?

    ie. run two fleets
    or have prizes for the middle and rear of the fleet as well as the front.

    I know it is a lot to ask but we found that Hellerup was made more fun when we received prizes for being in certian groups going around bouys, as well as doing a 720 right in front of the camera boat for gently 😉 tapping someone.

    #6082
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    I think I speak for ‘my man’ too when I say that the events we’ve enjoyed most have been at Poole, Blackwater and Royal Harwich – geographically interesting venues.

    We find eternal triangles and sausages a bit tedious and something of a flog at featureless sea venues. Although ‘local courses’ can be said to favour locals, they’ve generally evolved to make best use of an area’s sailing possibilities, and we would gladly accept some navigational problems for more interesting sailing. My helm certainly talks with great affection of Falmouth Week in the days when the courses took you all over the place.

    It seems to me that the people left on the circuit are the hardened racers, and that the perhaps more typical, cruising Wayfarer sailors who enjoy the odd race have drifted away, at least from the bigger events.

    #6083

    I have to agree with Colin’s point of new places to sail and people to meet and I also have to agree with Justthecrew’s point that those eternal triangles are brain numbing. Once round and even I can usually predict what is going to happen

    I enjoyed Medway last year & Blackwater (was that last year?) , lots to look at, ships to avoid, and find the buoys (always an adventure for us – me shortsighted and helm colourblind)
    I remember looking around Weymouth Bay this year and thinking this is simply glorious but then getting severely bought back to concentrating !!!!
    and not allowed to look at the view

    The Trapezoid courses were lovely down at Lymington, well I enjoyed them. I suppose it is something akin to the way we race at Waldringfield.

    The Hellerup windward/leeward courses with 2 mile legs in light winds !!!altho I was told they make for good tactical racing (but that is only good if your tactics are good) but several times I asked my helm if it was time to tack so that I could have a change of view.

    Each to their own but something needs to be thought about to encourage others to race – The Lark Class has worked very hard at this and now have Gold, Silver and Bronze fleets. As my helm said just to get a small thing for being in the last 20 in the 1st race or 8th at the first bouy made Hellerup for us.

    #6084
    G.ORilla
    Member

    @mattL wrote:

    We turned out for all the open events last year (even castle cove with the other 11 wayfarers) they have all been tremendous fun. it is always a shame when the turn outs were so low.

    Is there anyway people can be encouraged to go?

    ie. run two fleets
    or have prizes for the middle and rear of the fleet as well as the front.

    I know it is a lot to ask but we found that Hellerup was made more fun when we received prizes for being in certian groups going around bouys, as well as doing a 720 right in front of the camera boat for gently 😉 tapping someone.

    One of the reasons that I gave up going around meetings is that there was simply no incentive. Yes the racing was mostly good, but many, many people in my position pay an awful lot of money and spend an awful lot of time simply to finish in the middle of the pack and see no “return” for the entry fee. Before anyone says anything, the “return” in this context is not prizes or money, but a bit of recognition for their efforts – same as happened in Hellerup, as I understand. It was probably cheap but it hugely motivated the 8200 team to come again and again – and this is positively infectious. It must be acknowledged that many people have drifted away from meetings because there is no prospect of any recognition for their efforts.

    I am not saying that everyone should win a prize but many people are fed up with seeing the same old thing time and again.

    The trouble is that so many people have been driven away from the racing that it will be difficult to justify extra prizes – even very small ones and what the point of having gold silver and bronze fleets when only 18 boats turn up? It’s going down the plughole.

    #6085

    Some ideas, all copied from other classes

    1. The fleet will soon be split in two any way – pre-Hartley fleet and Hartley fleet, so why not go the whole hog and have Gold Silver and Bronze fleet prizes.

    2. The classes that seem to attract more entries seem to go in for more short races. Especially in a smallish fleet, sailing for nearly 2 hours as the leaders disappear over the horizon, or lap the rearguard, can be very dispiriting.

    3. The Wayfarer is a cruiser-racer. Why not include one “passage” or coastal race in an open meeting, which requires a bit of navigation.

    4. I went to a great event in another class here in Ireland. Saturday and Sunday morning were given over to a series of short races (6 in all) the 3 fleets being split. On Sunday afternoon the top 4 in each fleet sailed match racing semis and finals. Great spectator sport.

    5. Wayfarer events could be combined with other class events : a Proctor open meeting; a Hartley products meeting; or a cruiser racer class meeting (Wayfarer, Wanderer, Gull…)

    6. The Dart class used (may still do) use an ingenious rating system that meant that the major prize went to the best performance rather than to the outright winner. The theoretical finishing order was calculated on the basis of past results and best performer was the boat that finished the highest above her theoretical placing.

    7. Events were everyone can stay on site, or within walking distance, help generate a good atmosphere (no need for designated drivers).

    8. Good race management… no unecessary waiting, no time between races, finishing on time, a protest comittee on hand and ready to work immediately… hot soup or a burger as boats come ashore, hot water in the showers, results available within minutes, a report posted on Y&Y website before competitors get home…are all essential elements in a succesful event.

    9. A balanced calendar – an open event once a month from April to October (including the major multiclass regattas), with at least 2 weekends between events.

    10. How about a draw for a new boat… raffle tickets being distributed pro- rata to attendance at designated open meetings, with a bonus for those who sail more than half the events.

    Gordon

    Gordon

    #6086
    G.ORilla
    Member

    No 10 – expensive……….
    No 2 – we all know what processions are like
    No.3 – navigation race of some sort is a really good idea (need a bit of imagination in open waters, though)

    However, they are all good constructive ideas – might even bring 33 out of retirement if not sold by then.

    Thanks – you have re-kindled a bit of interest from here

    #6087

    A navigation idea:
    There are not many local boats, but Brightlingsea in Essex has 3 islands up the Colne estuary that you can sail around. If you sail around all three, it would take about 1.5 hours. All you need is the course to say: “around the three islands: up to you which way round and in which order”.
    Or, to keep the boats slightly grouped together, specify: round the islands in this sequence, but up to you which way round.

    There is a camping site within 50 yds of the dinghy park, and hot showers and the club bar within 10 yds of the top of the slipway!
    Round the islands on one day, and 2 or 3 races the next?

    #6090
    G.ORilla
    Member

    Until I re-joined the club (after 33 years), I had forgotten how good it is to sail at Brightlingsea.

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