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  • #3386
    Anonymous
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    I found this article interesting (make sure you read all 3 pages. There are different ‘next’ buttons – choose the right one!) Page 2 pretty much hits the nail on the head. Substitute “Wayfarer” for “Osprey” and IMHO you have our current situation.

    http://ospreysailing.org.uk/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=15&Itemid=2

    #4822
    G.ORilla
    Member

    “cannot find server” -will try a manual look…..

    Had a look and the site is down – will try later

    #4825
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    Very interesting article Toby (W8848), thx.

    Seems that the bilge keels were removed from the Osprey. Surely that would speed the boat up?

    Richard

    #4826
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    Don’t know if that’ll happen for the Wayf, but personally speaking I would love a boat with no bilge keels! They are a right royal pain in the a… Especially because my trolley has channels in it to avoid the weight being taken on the bilge keels (which is very bad), and those channels always catch on the blasted bilge keels and often dig chunks out of them. Yuk!

    #4829

    Please remember that the Wayfarer is a cruiser-racer. The bilge keels are essential whenever a boat grounds. Should the boat change significantly to accomodate a small minority who race the Wayfarer at a high level?

    Could be worse… some big boat cruiser-racezrs (the Sigma 33) for instance, must carry a full cruising inventory on board…somewhat over the top when their championships are decide by 5 days of sailing windward-leeward courses.

    On another topic… I vote for the inexpensive and effective swing test to establish moment of inertia – I prpose we measure all the boats at the next Worlds and use this as a basis for establishing a standard measure.

    Gordon

    #4833
    Swiebertje
    Participant
    Gordon Davies wrote:
    On another topic… I vote for the inexpensive and effective swing test to establish moment of inertia – I prpose we measure all the boats at the next Worlds and use this as a basis for establishing a standard measure.

    Gordon

    All the boats?
    I would propose to measure only the woodies and plus-s-es for they are the racers chiose. A cruiser couln’t care less about inertia unless it goes well with a dram of rhum… This brings us back to what I stated in another thread: “we shoul first establish what exactly a Wayfarer is….”

    As John1642 stated in that same thread, inertia is not only about changes in waterline length due to yaw and roll, but it also determines how fast we can tack and how much speed we loose in a tack. And there is more. The inertia characteristics are perhaps the most important factor, next to hull shape, for alowing a new design to race.

    I believe the associations should play a pro-active role in this matter and should not make the easy choice, which is to assume that it will be OK. I still have the W-World debacle in mind. (Or would you like to race a World?) Ray already wrote it; to be successfull the boat must also be a competative racer, not faster but just as good as the best in the fleet. For that we have to check the inertia characteristics IMHO and compare it to the best in the current fleet, which are the woodies and the plus-s-es.

    At the last AGM I reminded the exec comittee of the policy to modernize the class rules and measurement methods, a policy that was decided upon some years ago. With the Hartley developments this matter (establishing “what a W is”) has become more urgent then ever IMHO. In any case the R&D comittee has an awfull lot to do during the coming months.

    Ton

    #4834
    Anonymous
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    Swiebertje wrote…

    > In any case the R&D comittee has an awfull lot to do during the coming months.

    What R&D committee?

    Richard

    #4835
    Swiebertje
    Participant
    Richard Readings wrote:
    Swiebertje wrote…

    > In any case the R&D comittee has an awfull lot to do during the coming months.

    What R&D committee?

    Richard

    Oops, R&T of course.
    sorry, Ton

    #4836
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    > Oops, R&T of course.

    OK, what R&T committee?

    Richard

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